Rude person. I do know a lot of women who do this also. In reading about this case it would never occur to me to smother somebody in such a fashion. She seemed to be in pajamas which indicates she got into bed, which sickly matches up with his barely got into bed remark, The sheets were stripped because they probably got pulled off anyway during the act. 2. Usually when theres a fight while strangulation is occurring the perpetrator uses so much force the hyoid bone is broken; shannans was not. He knew immediately Watts was guilty as well as the neighbor viewing the camera. Air chokes have been associated with fractures of the larynx or hyoid bone and are considered less safe than blood chokes in these applications. Peanuts and tree nuts are VERY different, and supposedly CeCe had a *tree nut* allergy coconut, not peanuts! In addition, it became clear that she used bed as a punishment. It has NOTHING to do with being organized, clean, or a neat freak. Gastrointestinal Tract: Correct. And then I freaked out and hurt her., He whispered, Sheshe smothered them. Anyways, interesting theories guysthanks! Saying she will be there with lollipops and other things. I find it more comfortable & Ive always been afraid of sagging. They are The People Of The Lie. (Scott Peck). As a former forensic detective I dont completely agree with the DAs comment that it is normal. I am not sure that he planned the murders. Ive been on those late flight arrivals often. Page 453 Before I became a police officer- I was an EMT and I worked for 8 months for a company that transports dead bodies from where they die to funeral homes or the medical examiner. If someone begins to strangle you while youre in a deep sleep and laying down you may never regain enough consciousness to fight back. I think he killed the girls at the worksite. Like 1 in the kitchen by her purse. At the end of the day there are no good reasons to commit murder, especially of ones own flesh and blood, but there may be valuable lessons to learn from figuring out how this could have happened. So Shananns OCD personality stopped that night? Based on the history provided and the autopsy findings, the cause of death is asphyxiation due to smothering. I'm not sure whether the restrictions on health related information had a bearing on this aspect, or the Thrive aspect, or both. It seems as if the account Chris gave once he was finally in jail and writing letters was the truth. Mark, that is really interesting! Theres another case that does involve a murder by a husband on a bed, through manual strangulation, and they found small drops of his and her blood on the sheets, as well as traces of her feces elsewhere in the room. Here is what the International OCD Foundation says. Celestes was similar. If Chris had not had the affair, he would not have killed his family! https://youtu.be/U8fe6Ckeh5A?t=210. Supposedly he took them out of school and said they wouldnt be coming back. Info released has stated she had some suitcases still packed, in her bedroom, from the SC trip, and there were other things (like her purses being messy) that just keeps chipping away at true, almost disabling sort of OCD tendencies. They were out of town and it was still spotless. This was filmed during the police officers body cam footage. Good work. These may have been caused by an object, such as a necklace worn by the victim, or fabric, such as heavy-duty leather (such as a motorcycle jacket being worn by the murderer), and being compressed between the arm of the assailant and the neck/face of the victim. According to the Denver Channel, Watts received three life prison terms without the possibility of parole. Do you think that maybe she was actually just unconscious? The phone was found in the cushions of that upstairs couch, not the downstairs couch. 100% agree. Chris is dead inside. It is my opinion that one could not have this mix in the stomach unless it was swallowed and if the stomping on the head didnt bring Bella out of unconsciousness before being immersed in the oil, then she was very possibly (and hopefully) unaware of what was happening. Shananns Autopsy Report states, There is a linear array of variably sized, purple black circular defects which extend from the inferior aspect of the chin, along the jawline, up the left aspect of the face, towards the left temporal area. C . Chris is a monster. I think thats what she did (shed had an extra 3 hours of airport to be rid of!) This is from the transcript of the Larry King Live show covering Scott Petersons conviction in the death of his pregnant wife Lacey thats Dr. Henry Lee, a forensic scientist: KING: If there were smothering, would there have been evidence? Tell the world, especially the misinformed idiots who think Chris Watts is an attractive man and Shannan was controlling. He knew this too, which is why he was so brazen using the card that weekend. She also could not stand Shannan. Or perhaps he left when the sun was coming up because thats when he usually left for work. If he straddled her chest, and pins her arms down with his knees, she would have been incapacitated. Or after kids went to bed, and Im sure she didnt want to become an instant Mom! Time of death for all three victims is unknown. Just asking a question. Debbie do you have a link to that 411 Documentary please? Little Celeste, thankfully, seemed to have no idea what was happening to her. Bella was wearing pink pajama-type top with images of hearts and butterflies. Poor thing. I dont know her daily habits, but i use mine as an alarm. The body is that of a well-developed, well-nourished although decomposing Caucasian female whose appearance is generally She was always busy. I have always slept with a bra on and I am 43 years old, always. Even flailing my legs they werent even reaching him. Autopsy shows oil, water, and sludge in their lungs, which cannot happen when you are dead. And even if he did not kill them twice so to speak, he killed the on in front of the other with no thoughts to their fear levels or anything but yet you put all the blame on another of the victims. Ive linked an article below for everyone to read about how harmful perpetuating this lie is. document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); Your email address will not be published. Now remember this would be AFTER strangling Shannan carrying her to their room & putting her in bed, so at least 5 minutes and since it would have taken about 4 minutes for CeCe to die 9 minutes had passed supposedly since Shannan had been in her room. That got me too it sounded more like Shanann was trying to do CPR if she was already blue! If she was murdered in bed, why isnt there any evidence of that? Shannan would choke the like out of Watts before she hurt her kids. So the agent says what about strangling? Gallstones form over a period of time, raised hormone levels in pregnancy contribute to them. He dug the grave with a shovel. Advertisement. In terms of your comments about respect, you clearly have no respect for my work. Exiting rooms. Usually when suffocation happens, its not only quiet but you dont see the victims face, while strangulation you see it all. Just kind of odd. I guess my vanity rubbed off on her. Lo que ese animal hizo estuvo todo en su sano juicio, los borrachos dicen que hacen cosas indebidas por estar ebrios pero, este definitivamente es satans. Who and/or what are we dealing with here? Read Thomas Molletts forensic report https://crimerocket.com/2018/12/17/thomas-molletts-forensic-report-on-shanann-watts-post-mortem-blood-alcohol-level/. Not everyone poops when they die, in fact most do not. She was an environmental science person. Shanann was in there with her on top of her. Could Bellas mouth injuries have occurred postmortem when he shoved her through the hatch? Get a life and quit trashing innocent victims. (Oh and the bra with pregnant women 100% The T and underwear sleep outfit? Watts, a 33-year-old Colorado oil worker, killed his wife, Shanann, who was 15 weeks pregnant, along with his two daughters aged three and four on August 13, 2018. Here is the parts in Shanann's autopsy report that says the stuff about how her hair was sloughing, that she had skin slippage & bloating/decomposing had started. But I want to know so badly the time of death. It DOES NOT make her a bad mother when I comment on what I saw and what I think. It is most likely that the girls were dead by 6 PM Sunday night already, which was why Chris couldnt reschedule the murders as soon as he heard ShanAnns flight would be delayed, thereby cutting dangerously into his cleanup time. Shanann had extensive injuries to her neck. Lack of petechiae. But I am of course hoping that she was totally unaware in her unconsciousness. Based on the history provided and the autopsy findings, the cause of death is asphyxiation due to manual strangulation by another individual. Please, if he was worried about the kids, then why did he kill them as well. I learned all about a Sleeper/Chokeholdhated that part of SO academy, but is a great way to gain upper-hand, control over a perp and render them unconscious with one thump of my forearm on their neck/carotid artery.,, you black out immediately! I wrote a book that tried to integrate information, not just throw the information in the air and shrug. Like a scene from Friday the 13th. @Nickvdl IMO I think he strangled her from behind and on their bed. Cassie Rosenberg Page 626 Nickole Atkinson was first to sound the alarm; she told police she dropped Shannan off and Shannon was 15 weeks pregnant and not feeling well. Ugh. He had a plan to kill them all, all along. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vYC7bHIzuqE. I doubt shed just leave her phone and stuff downstairs like that. Its in the autopsy x. ( oh & yes there were handprints in both sides of her neck according to autopsy ) on his arms? They asked him ways to murder somebody & he said shoot someone, hit them with a club, stab them, run them over, throw them off a cliff, a bunch of other weird ways but steering wide of strangling. Why would she quit her job to be a stay-at-home mom and then put the tots right into full-time daycare? She probably snuggled up next to him & was able to fall asleep. She even labelled food in her kitchen. He knew that he would be at those oil tanks by himself that morning. Thanks! Googled ways to suffocate children? Also, the fact that he did not want her to come to Colorado with his dad so that maybe she would not be questioned? Chris cleaned all that up so quickly and completely? In this day and age, OCD has become a replacement word for ritualistic behaviour and personal idiosyncrasies. > Most do not, really? Its more likely the complete opposite. Blood Alcohol. @nickdvl. Parents reach for any hope, even if the child is blue, even if rigor has set in, theyre desperate and people who are not emotionally involved as them, professionals,have to tell them its too late. I lived with one. So I do see how Chris did this and ended up with no defensive injuries from her. The ground was visible disturbed. Kinda odd. So its OCD when it comes to what people see, both house and life if you will..but a suitcase at 2 am, 4 months pregnant, I could easily see her saying nope to carrying that suitcase upstairs. MLM comes across in this paper as a cult-like entity that epitomizes absolute evil (evil = a foundation of lies) especially when you read the case histories. This guy had some sort of mental problem. His mom I think knew about it prior. He went from great dad to not wanting anything to do with them, me or any responsibilities. He eventually disappeared for long time, gave me house. GREELEY, Colo. Authorities released Monday the autopsy reports of Shanann Watts, 34; Bella Watts, 4; and Celeste Watts, 3. In the new clip, the cold-hearted killer is wearing t-shirt, shorts and flip flops as officers secure. I have watched/listened to a lot of Nicks videos and am now working my way through his books, and I can honestly say that he is impartial and simply digs deep into the why of the case. This autopsy is performed at the request of the Weld County Coroner, State of Colorado. Unfortunately, I know what its like to be strangled. Remember it wasnt just the suitcase downstairs, her purse was downstairs too. Very CW. Ive been sleeping in my bra during my pregnancy- because my chest hurts all the time and taking it off even to shower is extremely uncomfortable. He did something to immobilize or pin down her arms. http://www.timescall.com/ci_32281483/autopsy-reports-show-shanann-watts-daughters-were-asphyxiated, But Celeste didnt have oil her stomach. Celeste did NOT have any found in hers?? And of course she loved her children, and she was a great mom. ShanAnn had been in a total of 6 MLMs that I could identify (Amway, Origami Owl, LulaRoe, Younique, ItWorks!, Thirty One, and Thrive oops, thats SEVEN); theyd already had to file bankruptcy in 2015; and now they were about to lose their house due to not being able to pay their bills. The agents stressed the words ran & walked because they were inconsistent & made no sense. 1. Folks seem to think wanting to know why means supporting Watts or blaming his wife. There is no sympathy for that psychopath period. If thats the case I cant figure where else they would have been at that time. Chris said: I freaked out and I did the same thing to f****** her. He would have had more than enough access to ethanol or similar alcohols. Would he have cleaned up Shannans stuff if he didnt kill them? He had only a few friends. A tee-shirt and undies is a Sleeping Uniform for many women, another fact. My question is how do you smother someone with your bare handscover/press their nostrils and mouths? Police came but found no sign of Celeste Watts or Bella Marie Watts. Oil water and sludge debris in the stomach.. I think Chris pretended to be asleep because I think hes a coward and wouldnt have wanted to interact with her. Its typical that children be smothered as opposed to stabbed etc. What do you think about the 8 inch thief hatch, and the narrowest section of Ceecees hips being 9.5 inches, according to the autopsy? The detective said not really. Chris was plainly seen in the neighbors security video loading a red gas can into the back of his truck. On page six of the report in the General Internal Examination findings, it states:- Is there any way you can send it to my email please. It was a matter of how they were immersed in the oil. No, so you have same information that anyone else has. dirty murderer! Its definately not most. *** Wearing a bra to bed is in fact QUITE common with busty women**. Chris stated that his wife smothered her children and im sure hes lying but i was hoping to read somewhere here of proof that chris also smothered his kids. @Kaye Im thinking the girls were killed after Shanann because he knew she would look in on them, perhaps kiss them, before turning to bed herself.>>>When he murdered Shanann, how do you think he did it? He runs into Ceces room & walks up to Shannan. I see it is listed as pronounced and no estimates of time for cause of death? The girls were just in their pajamas; they werent wrapped in blankets. I am in Australia and I came across this story by accident and I am just horrified. [UPDATED] | True Crime Rocket Science / #tcrs, Watts Sentencing: Live Coverage and Analysis [Updated throughout the day] | True Crime Rocket Science / #tcrs, Crime News November 2018 | True Crime Rocket Science / #tcrs, The murder of the Watts children at CERVI 319 as Dramatized in FAMILY MAN, FAMILY MURDERER | True Crime Rocket Science / #tcrs. Or it might be that a place for everything and everything in its place is a good way for me to manage time being able to grab what I need when I need it without having to faff around looking for it. I did hear shananns mom say let them in her daughters house. Thats a power-nap another thing MLM folk are good at. yes, that is great, there is no mention at all that there was any of the toxic mix of oil, water and sludge that was in Bellas stomach, thankyou for pointing that out Nick. I remember one video where shes tasting one of the Thrive bars and effusing over how delicious it is, while one of her daughters cries with hunger in the background, and ShanAnn tells the poor child, No, you cant have this this is Mommys. Also she seemed to have every intention to work things out while he was having an affair and according to him getting divorced. As a woman, I never go to sleep with my bra on. One of the unknowns in this case is why Watts did what he did. Was there no evidence of feces on the girls beds either so maybe they were not killed in bed? I know that OCD was mentioned on several instances in the Discovery by those who knew her, but do they have the qualifications to make that diagnosis? Police reportsA photo of one of the girls. But I think she had some difficulty in raising and tolerating young children. Youll never see the kids again! WHATEVER!!! What was Shananns cause of death? I dont know why, but I have a deep need (would have never expected this) to discuss what happened, and I need to be honest with my observations. His aversion to it is so blatant, and its obvious why. His integrity shows through all the time. Neither of them passed any body fluids. Esophagus: .. What about rigormortis? Shan'ann Watts -Autopsy,grave details.Graphic! Shanann was discovered in a "foetal position" in a shallow grave, while her two young daughters were found in "crude oil sludge". stop, stop. . Just a suggestion. I always slept in a bra when I was in my 20s and 30s. @Karen. Listen to the cop who interrogated him after he tells that stupid story. I would just like to express an opinion of mine to you and all your readers. Also just because she was strangled and they were suffocated doesnt mean dirt. but I dont think she ever went upstairs, not even to check on the girls. Perhaps they had one via phone or text. If we can believe his scenario, that also sounds like Shannn wasnt trying to kill her daughter like Chris thought, which meant neither of them killed her which leaves someone who must have entered the home by using an access code that wouldnt trip the alarm and I wonder who that might be ((cough*mistress*cough)) if Chriss scenario is correct of course! He says with a halphazard yeah she was like for sure gone, she was blue, and no beats, no breaths, nothing. Watts was having an affair with a woman named Nichol Kessinger, and Shananns texts show he had grown cold to her. Watts claimed that he snapped and strangled his wife when he found her murdering the girls, but he later pleaded guilty to all three murders. The autopsy also made no references to elevated levels of any Thrive-related chemicals. Chris only saw things with one lense. I cannot get over what he did. And the life insurance policies out on the 3 girls, not sure Nico yet, was not very much at all. I think he was doing this so she would feel comfortable when she got home, and would be able to sleep. But legally it was in Chriss name. Shed been drinking?? Straight up facts. You can pooh-pooh OCD if its not you, but OCD especially for someone with a chronic disease tends to be quite significant. In the autopsy Shannan was found to be still wearing a bra. And, as you point out in one of your replies to anothers comment about the oil in her body, there was no oil in her lungs, in her stomach yes, in her lungs no. Shanann was found in a shallow grave at an oil site near the drums. I dont think enough people are looking at the theory that Chris had flipped a switch with her in the days leading to her death. Lastly, he lies constantly to the police, why is this self serving story all of the sudden believable? Why does there always gotta be one of those? Was the examiner not able to determine the order in which Shanann and the girls were killed? I believe he killed her while she was sleeping, would have been easy to trap her arms under covers. My closets and nightstand is much cleaner than hers and I dont have OCD. Mucho menos que estaba enferma. I consider it strange to have them there FT at their age, given the business she was inseems like it could have been done around an at home schedule for the girls, IMO. Then I think he panicked and was scared and didnt know what to do. RIP Angels. I think he would have come up with a better plan as to where he would bury them. Hence, no struggle, no stretches. Thats why no defense wounds. Powered by. I approached an expert to get his take on it, and was a little disappointed by his findings: https://crimerocket.com/2018/12/17/thomas-molletts-forensic-report-on-shanann-watts-post-mortem-blood-alcohol-level/. From their text messages & hers to friends you can tell he was trying to make her believe they had a chance & things were getting better. He said he didnt hurt Shannan just as much, Ive read all the transcripts. Thanks for making the reports public. Chris Watts' plan was to make his family disappear. There are no words . He kills both witnesses and the rest is history. @Eleni Let me put it this way there is zero evidence that Shanann was upstairs. Simply stated, you are an ignorant human being, Badmouthing the vicitm like that when she can not defend herself. Like someone took over his body. Said it was part of the decomposition process. Both my kids were blue and they were gone. I honestly believe Chris smothered them all with ethanol soaked cloths. So completely terrible. I consider it strange to have them there (in preschool) FT at their age, given the business she was inseems like it could have been done around an at home schedule for the girls, IMO.. I once witnessed where someone used Tequila in a hookah instead of water. Youre not Shanann Watts. Shanann returned home from a business trip on the early morning hours of August 13, 2019. Shanann Watts. D: Oil, water and sludge debris was found in her stomach. And where do you think he did it? I also believe Shanann was also sleeping when the attack occurred which could explain her lack of putting up a fight. The full autopsy reports are included below: Watts Aggregate Autopsy Reports by EKilloran on Scribd, MANHUNT: Hobby Lobby Distribution Center Manager Shot Dead in Altercation With Employee, 16-Year-Old High School Student Fatally Stabbed in Classroom Fight, Young Child FaceTimes for Help After 4 Members of Family Slain, Chris Watts tried to pin the murders of 3-year-old Celeste and 4-year-old Bella on his wife when he first confessed to murdering Shanann, who was 15 weeks pregnant at the time, In the video of Chris Wattss confession, previously published on. Chris said that she often went straight to bed without showering after a flight, saying that shed shower and wash bedding to rid it of the airport in the morning. I go back & forth wondering if he planned on killing the kids, or if Bella saw & then he had too. Its what seems to make sense, based on the info we recently learned. And fyi, I am not going to use the actual pictures/videos in my project. Dont mislead people into believing there should be feces in the location of a murder. It makes the crime even more heinous in my mind because it would have required a lot of thought concerning the logistics. http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0411/12/lkl.01.html, https://shakedowntitle.com/tag/scott-peterson/, http://www.timescall.com/ci_32281483/autopsy-reports-show-shanann-watts-daughters-were-asphyxiated, https://letsqueerthingsup.com/2018/05/12/i-didnt-know-i-had-ocd-heres-why-the-stereotypes-are-so-harmful/, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vYC7bHIzuqE, https://crimerocket.com/2018/11/02/shanann-watts-intended-to-brand-baby-niko-and-credit-thrive-for-her-perfect-pregnancy-but-her-plan-backfired/, https://www.marketwatch.com/story/this-woman-made-a-life-changing-decision-after-her-husband-gave-600000-to-a-cult-2017-07-10, Christopher Watts: What else do we know? I find it odd that Shanann was wearing a bra when found. On top of that, he had to forcibly PUSH Bella down into the oil tank, because she was larger than the 8 inch diameter oil tank hole to fit through please answer why? Then again she was dressed for bed. In fact, its not just the muscles but also the gas produced inside your body following death that will cause peeing and pooping. And I doubt this person is a doctor who can just diagnose ppl he doesnt know either. He then "went into a rage," he claimed, and strangled her to death in retaliation. Kick him? Like you, I was suspicious about the DAs assessment. Did you mention in your book that Shannan thought her marriage was wonderful and things started changing around the time your Hero Chris Watts started having an affair? When it was revealed yesterday that the children had been smothered, I assumed a pillow was used, especially since it would cover their faces and provide emotional distance for Chris while murdering his own children. If she was that tired, yes, Shannan could have left her suitcase and purse downstairs in her own home. My theory is that he had started to be nicer to her, as evidenced by her text to her friend Cassie the night before she left for the trip. She wanted to be, and really thought she was, a great mom. If the digestive tract opens up at death, where did Shannan, Bella and Celeste poop? Police reportsThe oil drums where the bodies were found. Chris went to an oil well job site to check out it. In fact, I wonder if LeVel pulled some strings in Chris plea bargain it would certainly be better for the MLM to not have details about its pernicious effect on this familys finances coming out in a court trial. The reports also show that Shananns fetus had been expelled from her body, which was buried in a shallow grave. Shan'ann seemed to have a fairly mild case. 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